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06 March 2009 @ 09:34 pm
2x17: Ourselves Alone  

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2x17 OURSELVES ALONE
Episode Description:

The return of Cameron's glitch results in regrettable consequences for everyone, and Riley fears Cameron has discovered her secret. 
 

 
 
 
The evil ticklerstaceyface on March 7th, 2009 02:41 am (UTC)
Well that was quite an interesting episode. It almost felt like Season 1 TSCC, except maybe more Derek/family interaction would be nice. I'm kinda happy that Cameron's so-called "glitch" didn't harm anyone in a bad way. I mean, it freaked Riley out, but other than that she seemed okay. Speaking of Riley, I was rooting for her when she and Jesse were fighting. Oh well, now that she's down, next one to go is Jesse. Although, I'm interested in her "mission".
an east end girl: TSCC - Connor by grumpybear1031life_on_queen on March 7th, 2009 06:25 am (UTC)
Am I alone in thinking that Jesse's reaction to Sarah Connor was odd?

True, she's playing a con but there's nothing when they meet. Odd.
vik⋅tor⋅e⋅uh: stock 'idanceonsundaysandintherain'southerncharmfa on March 11th, 2009 07:13 am (UTC)
I thought it was strange too. You'd think there would have been some kind of reaction to the mother of the leader of all mankind but nope, nothing, not even a blink. It felt like she lacked any kind of respect for her, which is odd since I think every character we've encountered before has at the very least had some sort of grudging respect for what she's accomplished so far.
an east end girl: TSCC - Legendlife_on_queen on March 13th, 2009 02:38 am (UTC)
Either Jesse's that good (which I doubt), or she's crazy (which I think is likely) or she's already met Sarah (which I doubt) or she's convinced that she's doing the right thing, making up where Sarah failed.

Or she's crazy and she thinks Derek is in love with Sarah, which overcomes the hero worship.

Then again, Derek underestimated Sarah at first, too.

Silly him.
an east end girl: TSCC - Derek & Sarah gunslife_on_queen on March 7th, 2009 06:24 am (UTC)
I love that Sarah volunteers that she and Derek aren't involved, which is kind of random if it's just your brother-in-law turning up, isn't it?

Meanwhile, I thought Derek would be smarter than this... why is he relying on Jesse when John and Sarah are a phone call away? His protective streak is fucking up the mission.

Also, Derek is hanging with the wrong brunette with a gun fetish.
teach me to be fabulous.....christ_chexx_4u on March 7th, 2009 03:57 pm (UTC)
I love that Sarah volunteers that she and Derek aren't involved, which is kind of random if it's just your brother-in-law turning up, isn't it?

seriously.

Also, Derek is hanging with the wrong brunette with a gun fetish.

SERIOUSLY!!
schmacky0schmacky0 on March 7th, 2009 09:08 am (UTC)
Does Derek make anyone else wnat to beat their own brains in? Seriously, he was cool and annoying this episode. Both. The whole bar scene was humorous in it's own way and I know he noticed Jesse wearing odd clothing and her hair being all weird but he doesn't act on his suspicions.

There are some serious red flags that Derek has identified and ignored.

She said she was AWOL and then when he caught her, she said she's there to stop Cameron.

She said she's not there to stop the war (uhm, why not? Really? What's so wrong with wanting to stop the world from burning?)

She said she's there to win it. Hmm, how do you win the war by takin' out your leader's body guard? Er, unless you're trying to win the war for the other side.

With Jesse not showing up at road, I thought maybe next episode he'll question her more but it seems like he's getting sucked in again. Grah!

And was anyone else annoyed with Derek's comment about his people being distracted? Uh, that's pretty funny considering the "distracted" is the one that found all the leads that he's looking into all on her own because nobody believed her.

And yes, I find it odd that there was no reaction from Jesse at all in meeting with Sarah. But then again, she's been following them for awhile so she could be all used to seeing Sarah. Jesse's just a damn good liar. I love to hate her and hope that Derek and Sarah take turns in beatin' on her for bein' played like that.

Oh, yeah, I loved that Sarah volunteers that she and Derek aren't involved. Jesse's comment about wondering if it's wise to have an unattached adult male in the house with a pretty young girl seeking attention.

First of all, what's that all about? Is she trying to throw some stuff into Sarah's head to drive even more of a wedge between Derek and Sarah? Maybe making her think he did/said something to Riley?

And I wonder if Sarah caught onto the fact that Jesse said "unattached." Sarah said SHE wasn't involved with Derek, that doesn't mean Derek isn't involved with anyone. Why would a HS guidance counselor make that assumption?
The evil ticklerstaceyface on March 7th, 2009 02:54 pm (UTC)
Yea I did find Jesse and Sarah's meeting a bit odd. But then again, she is a good liar and she can't get starstruck during a mission. But what was really odd was when Derek was mentioned. I love that Sarah said they weren't involved, but then Jesse's comment got me confused. Why would she even mention that? She might be just trying to get Derek to become more "unattached" to the family, but still, I feel that there's more going on there.

And I think Jesse meant unattached as in unattached to the family. Which is still weird because he is attached through John.
schmacky0schmacky0 on March 7th, 2009 06:30 pm (UTC)
No matter how Jesse meant the word "unattached" it doesn't make any sense why a HS guidance counselor would say that.

If it's unattached to the family... well Sarah didn't say that or imply that. She said he lives with them sometimes, how is that unattached? Either way, Jesse is just strange haha
The evil ticklerstaceyface on March 7th, 2009 08:33 pm (UTC)
Haha, Jesse is weird. But she has become interesting. Before, I was bored by her and didn't care about her storyline. Now I want to know more and hope she gets discovered soon. She's one of those people you love to hate.
an east end girl: TSCC - Derek & Sarah gunslife_on_queen on March 8th, 2009 08:38 am (UTC)
I think Sarah was skeeved by the attitude from her son's supposed guidance counselor - in this case, I think it's important to consider that Sarah's lived through John being taken away from her by the state before. This episode introduces the possibility of the worst period of her life coming back around, so Sarah's automatically on the defensive with Guidance!Jesse and DCFS, so she misses clues she would otherwise pick up on.

SO... Jesse? Was that sexual jealousy I see with the "Sarah running you around?" question. At first I thought it was dismissive of Sarah but it's actually griping - Sarah snaps her fingers, Derek goes running. And probably doesn't tell Jesse about it. Hmmmm.
schmacky0schmacky0 on March 8th, 2009 08:22 pm (UTC)
Maybe. It's hard to tell though. It could be taken that Jesse is jealous. Or, it's that she just doesn't like the Connors.

Oh another note.. Sarah is not very good about detecting if people are lying or not. She thought Eileen/Alan was lying when she wasn't. She thought Felicia was lying when she wasn't. She thought Riley was lying when she wasn't. And she thought John was lying when he wasn't. I know Sarah has got a lot of trust issues, but she's just not good at knowing if people are lying or not.
an east end girl: TSCC - Out of Ammolife_on_queen on March 9th, 2009 03:23 am (UTC)
I disagree. Sarah's normally pretty good at sussing who is trustworthy and who isn't - Riley is a liar. Riley lies every time she comes into Sarah's home. Sarah's starting point is that no one is telling the truth because she is never telling the truth but when she gives her trust, generally, it's rewarded.